Dialogue between President of the Republic of Indonesia and Representatives of Gresik Fisher Group in Gresik Regency, East Java Province, April 20, 2022

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

So, how much is the net [income]?

 

Fisher

One person approximately earns Rp60,000-70,000, Rp50,000-60,000.

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

How much is the net income then?

Fisher

The net [income], Rp60,000 per person.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

I thought it was Rp300,000. I was a bit happy before.

 

Fisher

If it is crowded, it can be.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

My question is the average. Oh, Rp60,000. Okay.

Which of you are fishers? You, you, you.

 

Fisher

There are seven people, Sir.

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Not a fisher?

(audio unclear)

 

Fisher

Still young, Pak President. 27-30 years. This is what is interesting. Young people still want to be fishers.

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

If there are fish, they definitely would want to [be fishers]. If there are no fish, they would not want to.

 

Fisher

God willing, there are, Pak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Yes.

(The President distributed direct cash assistance to fishers)

Rp1.2 million, yes.

 

Fisher

I would like to share to you the complaints we have.

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Please, make it brief. One person, two persons. That would be enough.

 

Fisher

So, the problem we have here, Pak, is land certification, Pak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Land certification. Can you elaborate?

 

Fisher

More than one thousand fishers’ houses in Lumpur village stand on alluvial land, Bapak. The residence, the certificate is for alluvial land. The sea was reclaimed to create a dwelling place.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Then?

 

Fisher

We want to register for Comprehensive Systematic Land Registration (PTSL), but we are unable to.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Call Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning (speaking to his aide).

What is the name of the village?

 

Fisher

Lumpur village. Fishers’ community also opens PTSL, but we cannot meet the requirements because we cannot meet the requirement for land history, Pak. Therefore, Bapak, I am making this proposal.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

The used land is like reclamation, isn’t it?

 

Fisher

Yes.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Alluvial land, reclamation, oloran in Javanese.

 

Fisher

Thank God, Gresik is in—Gresik is encouraged to complete it by Ministry of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning/Head of the National Land Agency.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

What requirements are not met? Why can’t you register?

 

Menteri Sosial (Tri Rismaharini)

The history of the land used by urban village head, village head—their land is alluvial land. You can [register].

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

You can. Let it be handled by the Regent, then. If you meet a dead-end at the ministry, go to me, go to the palace directly.

 

Regent of Gresik (Fandi Akhmad Yani)

Yes, Bapak.

 

Fisher

Thank you very much, Pak President.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Trust the Regent.

 

Fisher

This is from fish fishers, please improve the waters here for us so that we can catch fish conveniently, Pak, because the ships in the middle are anchored for a long time. There are many barges and ships of the Indonesian National Defense Forces (TNI) here.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Oh, it is mixed.

 

Fisher

We often fall victims of anchors. If we are on a lane, we are the one who is at fault. The authorities take action on us. Please follow up, Pak. Thank you.

 

Fisher

On behalf of fishers, I apologize, Pak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

This is the last [complaint].

 

Fisher

Yes, the problem of fishers’ activities here is that when the tide is low, boats cannot…

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

So, it is siltation?

 

Fisher

Please think of a solution to siltation, Pak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Every fisher faces this problem, siltation.

 

Regent of Gresik (Fandi Akhmad Yani)

We use the Regional Budget, Pak. First, there is no law yet on regency’s authority over waters beyond the shoreline. It is the authority of the province, but back then, we have (audio unclear) Regional Budget, but we cannot backfill because of the regulation.

 

Fisher

Second, about the lack of fuel here, Pak, diesel fuel for fishers. Fishers have difficulty to buy diesel fuel from petrol stations.

 

Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Erick Thohir)

So, let’s say, a thousand families need a certain amount, it will be delivered monthly, Pak. Will that work? We will cooperate with Pak Treng (Minister of Marine Affairs and Fisheries).

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

What village is this? (The President is on the phone with Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning/Head of the National Land Agency)

 

Fisher

Lumpur urban village.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Good afternoon.

 

Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning (Sofyan Djalil)

Good afternoon, Bapak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Minister, I am with fishers in Lumpur village, Gresik regency. In Gresik, Lumpur urban village, Gresik regency, there are so many lands owned by fishers that cannot be registered for certification because they use alluvial land. Alluvial land is like that land, sedimentation, reclaimed land, but it is in fishers’ community. Certificates cannot be made for this land although it’s been used for a long time.

 

Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning (Sofyan Djalil)

Yes, Bapak. It is perhaps land formed due to alluvion, Bapak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Yes, more or less, yes.

 

Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning (Sofyan Djalil)

Certificates can be made for that, Bapak. We will immediately…

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Yes, send a team, Minister, yes.

 

Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning (Sofyan Djalil)

What village was it, Bapak?

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Lumpur village, Gresik regency, Gresik sub-district. Gresik regency, Gresik sub-district, Lumpur urban village. Yes, do send a team. Thank you. Assalamu’alaikum.

 

Minister of Agrarian Affairs and Spatial Planning (Sofyan Djalil)

Yes, Bapak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Wassalamu’alaikum.

See, it can be registered. Who said it can’t?

 

Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Erick Thohir)

For the diesel fuel issue, perhaps we can cooperate with Ministry of Marine Affairs and Fisheries, Pak, so there will be cooperation with cooperatives.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Are there cooperatives?

 

Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Erick Thohir)

If there are a thousand fishers, Pak, can you calculate how much is needed per month? We will give a quota per one thousand fishers, Pak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

How many fishers are there?

 

Fisher

One thousand and sixty-one.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

One thousand and sixty-one, Pak. One thousand and sixty-one, one thousand and two hundred. Which one is correct?

 

Regional Government Official

One thousand and sixty-one with 598 boats.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Okay, 1,061; give the quota, Minister Erick.

 

Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Erick Thohir)

How much is the quota per month?

 

Fisher

Approximately 6 liters are needed for one trip. One return trip and in one month, relatively there are only two or three days off.

 

Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Erick Thohir)

Per quota, Pak.

 

Fisher

The number varies, Pak. Rebon (small shrimp) fishers like my friends can use up to 30 liters per day because they look for rebon using a machine.

Regent of Gresik (Fandi Akhmad Yani)

Or regional-owned enterprise can build a petrol station especially for fishers here.

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Just give…

 

Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Erick Thohir)

Per quota.

 

Regent of Gresik (Fandi Akhmad Yani)

Regional-owned enterprise asks for quota to Ministry of State-Owned Enterprises.

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

What will be built, Pertamini (a small petrol station)?

 

Minister of State-Owned Enterprises (Erick Thohir)

Yes, something like that, Pak.

 

President of the Republic of Indonesia (Joko Widodo)

Pertamini, yes, but it should be owned by regional-owned enterprises. The quota is calculated by Pak Erick. The certificate issue is solved, yes. Regent, if the certificates are not issued, please report to me. Thank you.

(DH/MMB)